Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/JR's Bar and Grill

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The result was keep. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 10:14, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

JR's Bar and Grill

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all 4 references are apparently trivial notices. DGG ( talk ) 08:46, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Texas-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 08:53, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sexuality and gender-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 09:09, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Beyond its manager being fired for refusing service to a trans woman, I can find nothing out there of notability. Fails WP:GNG Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 11:09, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per GNG. DGG, how many times do I have to ask you to actually do some research before you nominate a page I've started for deletion? If you did any research here, you'd know that not only is this location notable, but there are actually four JR's throughout the United States (Dallas, Denver, and Washington, D.C.). Very frustrating to me that you seem to assess notability based on whatever few sources are currently used without doing any additional research. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 13:47, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

having 4 locations doesn't make it more notable. I did check references, and, as Aleandermcnabb says below, they're all what I said they were, trivial notices. Travel guides are aparticularly poor source for notability , because they fail NOT DIRECTORY, usually listing everything. DGG ( talk ) 05:45, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't say having four locations made a business notable. But, I've expanded the article some using sources specific to Houston. If other bars are not independently notable, then this article could be expanded to cover the other three locations as well, which would obviously see more content and sources added to the existing article. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 21:40, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Are the other JR’s all related? Or is it similar to naming bars The Eagle? POLITANVM ^talk 01:07, 8 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Politanvm, JR's Dallas says, "Established in 1980, JR's Bar & Grill Dallas is Texas' most successful gay club, and the inspiration for like-named clubs in Houston, Washington D.C., and Denver." ---Another Believer _(Talk) 02:57, 8 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Doesn't seem to be much WP:BEFORE done here. There is plenty of sourcing available to expand this article, which has already had six new sources added since this nomination was opened. Poking around Google, I see more available as well. Armadillo pteryx 14:55, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Agreed completely with what Another Believer and Armadillopteryx say here. It appears the OP did not do their due diligence and look for additional sources to improve the article, rather than jumping to the extreme option of nominating it for deletion. Historyday01 (talk) 15:04, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment All of the 'sources' being added are lists of bars/places to visit in the area, which rather takes us over to have a look at WP:NOTGUIDE before judging notability and/or suitability for inclusion. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 15:16, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. References are mostly just trivial mentions or lists, and there's really just no other big coverage. AdoTang (talk) 16:48, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Alexander and AdoTang that the current sources are mostly trivial. Also, the "Reception" section - which comprises the majority of the article - is just a hodge-podge of mentions of local blogs/newspapers mentioning the business in listicles, and should be trimmed significantly. But I do think there's enough coverage to support a useful stub. The two best sources are [1], and [2] (mostly a collection of primary source materials, but includes some useful barebone historical facts and a couple of old news clippings). The bar has been around since the 70s, and is apparently the second-oldest gay bar in the city. The article should focus on that historical aspect, rather than random listicle blog posts from the last few years. So yeah, I would say keep as a stub. An alternative would be to merge into LGBT culture in Houston, but that would probably require some restructuring of that article. Colin M (talk) 17:19, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - agree with Colin M’s response. There are at least two sources showing encyclopedic value of this bar. POLITANVM ^talk 01:07, 8 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.